On 3rd August, 2022, Carl Pei (founder, @NothingTechnology) sat down with Kunal Shah for a fireside chat. What followed was an hour's worth of shared curiosities between them.

Kunal and Carl started companies which brought new products in fastgrowing categories, financial services & mobile phones respectively. Both left these companies, to return with allnew takes. Kunal, with CRED in 2018, and Carl, with Nothing in 2021.

In conversation, they cover all about what entrepreneurship looks like in the roaring 20s, building highperforming teams in startups, what makes powerful brands, and choosing the right problem to solve.

Bonus: Carl Pei discovers the word "cringe" and Kunal Shah reveals his meme dealers.

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Timestamps:
00:00 Start
0:58 Session opening
1:17 The beginning of Nothing
3:54 Setting up a hardware tech company
5:18 How to build a brand around your business
11:47 The values which define Nothing
17:32 Taking business decisions
22:02 Insight behind the design
24:25 Vanity versus utilitarian functionality
25:16 Dealing with crisis while building a company
28:38 Unique traits of the Indian market
30:36 Creating the right market environment for a premium phone
32:58 Carl's role at Nothing
34:18 Identifying mediocre talent
39:11 Kunal's role at CRED
42:58 Question and answer session
49:05 How Nothing got its name

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