My guest today is Vincent Lloyd. Vincent is a professor at Villanova University where he directed the Black Studies Program, leads workshops on antiracism and transformative justice, and has published books on antiblack racism, including "Black Dignity: The Struggle against Domination". Now, Vincent is one of those rare guests with whom I have profound disagreements on the topic of race, but who's actually willing to have the conversation, which I'm very grateful for.

Vincent came to my attention because of a stunning essay he wrote about his experience teaching a summer course on racism at the Telluride Association. He'll tell the full story in the podcast, but essentially his class was destroyed from within by a single hyperwoke person. It's a crazy story and I think it shocked him, and forced him to reckon with the antidialogue pro intimidation component of the campus far left. In any event, Vincent and I begin by talking about this strange experience of having his class imploded, and then we move on to debate our substantive disagreements about racism, police violence, race versus class, whether prisons are necessary, and much more.

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CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 Critics Refuse To Debate Identity Politics
00:02:02 Teaching About Racism And Facing Antidialogue On Campus
00:07:43 Bonding Of Kids From Diverse Backgrounds During Multiweek Program In 2014.
00:10:41 Telly Right Association Hires Instructors For College Level Seminar Amidst Organizational Changes.
00:12:12 Communication And Collaboration In A Classroom Setting.
00:19:03 Tension Between Demands For Democracy And Hierarchy In Education.
00:21:03 Decline In Participation In A Program Without Grades
00:27:16 Lack Of Leadership In Communication Regarding College Seminar
00:30:31 Authority, Accountability, And Democracy
00:37:11 Heterodox Students Removed From Seminar Program
00:41:30 Importance Of Radical Democratic Ethos And Student Movements In Transforming Education
00:46:31 Comparing Cases Of Police Brutality Against Black And White Individuals
00:48:28 Effects Of Slavery's Continuation On Police Violence And Other Sectors.
00:58:21 Critical Assessment Of The Impact Of Protests Against Police Brutality
01:00:05 Black Lives Matter As A Platform For Pursuing Justice.
01:05:36 Media's Responsibility To Tamp Down Black People's Fears Of Being Victims Of Racism
01:12:22 Skepticism Of Claims Of Antiblack Racism
01:14:47 White Supremacy: A Justification For Slavery
01:20:38 The Universality Of Brutality In Slavery Regardless Of Location Or Time Period
01:24:25 Two Conceptions Of Dignity
01:26:54 Approaching The Topic Of Martin Luther King Jr. From A Black Perspective In The Us: A Discussion On King's Radicalism.
01:30:14 Don't Sanitize MLK's Beliefs And Philosophy
01:34:26 Critique Of Multiculturalism In The United States
01:37:52 Overcoming Barriers For Black Students In Multicultural Environments
01:39:54 Imprisonment In Cages Should Be Abolished Worldwide
01:45:11 Effective Conversationbased Reform For Prisoners
01:48:50 Transformative Justice And The Role Of The State
01:50:07 The Complexities Of Poverty And Local Solutions
01:54:21 Potential Cause Of Rise In Homicide In A Country With Riots And Racial Reckoning.
01:59:08 Deescalation As A Priority In Complex And Tragic Situations.
02:03:22 An Alternative To Calling The Police For Schizophrenia


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