Physicist Carlo Rovelli and philosopher Bernardo Kastrup clash over theories of reality.

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Carlo Rovelli is an Italian theoretical physicist who works mainly in the field of Quantum Gravity. Carlo's popular science book Seven Briefs Lessons on Physics has been translated into 41 languages and sold over one million copies, and he has authored other bestselling books including Reality Is Not What It Seems (2015) and The Order of Time (2018). In 2019 he was named one of the 100 most influential thinkers by Foreign Policy magazine.

Bernardo Kastrup is a Dutch computer scientist, philosopher, and one of the most prominent defenders of "metaphysical idealism" the notion that reality is essentially mental in the academic world today. Bernardo has worked as a scientist in leading laboratories across the world including CERN and the Philips Research Laboratories, and he is a regular contributor to Scientific American.

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