Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with historian and author Niall Ferguson. They discuss the historical and deeply mythological precedent of worldending narratives, how the global doomsday ethos abdicates local responsibility while empowering the elite class, the outofcontrol gigantism plaguing our administrative states today, and how we might strive to deal with genuine tragedy morally, religiously, and with humility.

Niall Ferguson is a ScottishAmerican historian, author, columnist, TV presenter, and academic. He is the Milbank Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University, as well as a senior fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University. Ferguson has written many books, such as “Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World,” “Colossus: The Rise and Fall of the American Empire,” “The Square and the Tower,” and most recently, “Doom: The Politics of Catastrophe,” which has been shortlisted for the Lionel Gelber prize.

This episode was filmed on October 12th, 2023

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Chapters

(0:00) Coming up
(0:33) Intro
(1:30) All worlds end, the permanence of death
(8:23) The duality of cataclysm and adventure
(10:41) The Book of Revelation: Spectacular imagery gives justification to the conceptualization of God
(11:35) Why science fiction loves dystopian themes and a secular wasteland
(15:45) We would break Heaven for the excitement of Hell
(21:30) Asceticism: humanities strange tendency for selfharm in preparation for the end times
(29:00) Delusions of “the science,” virtue signaling over problem solving
(34:13) The Tower of Babel, and how this story reiterates across time
(37:59) This is the only “law” in the study of history
(39:58) We want to live in a “moral universe”
(42:06) Worldviews that outlive their eras and religious roots
(45:04) The “sin of Eve,” morality, and the tendency to overreach
(49:59) Oppenheimer, ethics and the ability to destroy
(54:24) Drinking the snake oil, why Oppenheimer was ineffective as a peace lobbyist
(56:53) Henry Kissinger: the cost of preemption and the necessity of action
(1:02:42) Every good leader should aspire to this


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