'Contrary to what was widely expected at the start of the present century, the world has not seen the end of major wars, confirming that Plato was right when he wrote that “only the dead have seen the end of war.”'

These lines come from a new book, just published, titled ‘Conflict: The Evolution of Warfare from 1945 to Ukraine.’ The book was written by Lord Roberts, a widely respected UK author, and General Petraeus, former CIA Director and former Commander of US Central Command. Henry Kissinger described it as “an exceptional book written by two absolute masters of their profession.”

In this conversation, Simon speaks to Andrew and David, who discuss some key ideas and themes from the new book.

We hear their analysis on some lessons learnt after seven decades of conflict following WW2, including some reflections on the Vietnam War, Iraq/Afghanistan, and the current Ukraine conflict.

Strategy, tactics, leadership, intelligence, research, new technologies and planning for the future are all discussed in this illuminating episode.

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Interview recorded on October 4th 2023, just prior to the IsraelGaza War, so this is not covered in detail.

TOPICS:
00:00 Introduction
02:36 Setting Priorities and Objectives for Conflict
03:53 Flaws in Strategic Thinking Vietnam
08:40 Assessing Outcomes and Objectives
15:10 Leadership’s impact on Ukranian Fortitude
19:04 Detailed analysis in conflicts – Yom Kippur War
21:32 Utilizing intelligence in warfare – Falklands War
24:55 Understanding Morale
27:12 Maintaining standards amid onslaught
31:29 Authoritarian Regimes vs Democracies
33:32 Decoding Putin’s Intentions
37:57 Technological revolutions in warfare
42:38 Integration of private and public sectors
43:55 – Robotics in War
48:56 War Expenditure
52:15 Implications for China and Taiwan
54:16 Conflict and Economic Impact China
55:04 Automation and Conflict
56:31 Ukraine Conflict – Anticipating the End Game
57:27 Political vs Military objectives
59:40 Greatest general of the 20th century
1:00:43 The Element of Surprise in Warfare

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