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Timestamps:

0:00 – Introduction
5:43 – How R&AW operates
8:43 – Key roles of R&AW
14:48 – Understanding spies
16:35 – Work distribution in R&AW
19:29 – Double agent: Ravindra Singh’s story
26:49 – R&AW's approach to double agents
28:33 – CIA's approach to double agents
33:09 – Building trust among R&AW officers
38:31 – Everyone has a price
39:43 – The highest price he paid
43:43 – Funding and budget limitations
44:14 – R&AW's recruitment process
46:21 – Qualities needed in agents
49:04 – Balancing friendship in operations
50:21 – Sacrifices made by R&AW agents
52:51 – Family life and responsibilities
57:51 – R&AW officer’s salary
59:15 – Amar Bhushan’s preR&AW life
1:01:39 – Misconceptions about R&AW
1:03:50 – Top intelligence agencies worldwide
1:04:54 – How ISI operates
1:06:32 – R&AW training process
1:07:29 – Beating surveillance tactics
1:10:34 – Life postretirement
1:11:34 – The "k*lling culture" in R&AW
1:13:26 – Morality and ethics in intelligence
1:14:26 – Regret after missions
1:16:48 – Podcast conclusion
1:17:18 – Outro



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In the podcast, former R&AW officer Amar Bhushan shares an insider's perspective on India's intelligence agency. He discusses R&AW's mission to influence foreign governments, create instability, and support rebel groups, using Pakistan as a prime example. Amar Bhushan explains the intricate dynamics of trust within intelligence work, emphasizing that betrayal can have severe repercussions. As an atheist, he reflects on the moral complexities of the job, where loyalties can be manipulated. He addresses misconceptions about RAW, revealing that agents often lead ordinary lives without legal protections. Amar Bhushan outlines the sacrifices required, including the absence of worklife balance and personal relationships, and highlights the rigorous training agents undergo. He underscores the importance of a strong government to combat threats from foreign entities, including funding for separatist movements. Ultimately, Amar expresses no regrets about his choices, believing that actions taken for national security, even when morally ambiguous, are justified.

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