“Sorry, this is now getting very metaphysical,” says Jonathan Gorard part way through this excerpt from our conversation.

We start by talking about applying more than one rule to the hypergraph to create rulial multiway systems.

This takes us part way towards applying every possible rule, in other words, towards the ruliad.

We move on to the idea of measuring the complexity of a structure in terms of the minimum amount of information needed to express it.

Jonathan applies this idea to the ruliad, pointing out that it takes almost no information to express, since it encompasses all possible rules.

Since he believes, however, that there is some content to the universe – that it is not a tautalogy – this leads Jonathan to reject the idea of the ruliad.

We dig into why he has this intuition is that the universe is not a tautalogy.

Jonathan invokes theologians like John Duns Scotus, who promulgated the idea the the world is neither completely reducible nor completely irreducible.

He follows the scholastics in steering a middle path, suggesting that there’s enough content in the universe that it’s interesting, but not so much content that we can’t write down welldefined laws of nature.

This brings us, for the first time, to the role of the observer in the Wolfram model.

Again, Jonathan steers a middle path between placing the computational burden entirely on the universe and placing the computational burden entirely on the observer.

I find this 9minute exposition fascinating. It gets to the heart of some of the philosophical differences between Jonathan Gorard and Stephen Wolfram, and to the nature of the universe and our role as observers.

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Jonathan Gorard

• Jonathan Gorard at The Wolfram Physics Project https://www.wolframphysics.org/people...
• Jonathan Gorard at Cardiff University https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/people/view...
• Jonathan Gorard on Twitter   / getjonwithit  

• The Centre for Applied Compositionality http://www.appliedcompositionality.com/
• The Wolfram Physics Project https://www.wolframphysics.org/

People mentioned by Jonathan

• John Duns Scotus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duns_Sc...

• Xerxes D. Arsiwalla https://www.wolframphysics.org/people...
• Hatem Elshatlawy https://www.wolframphysics.org/people...

Research mentioned by Jonathan

• Homotopies in Multiway (NonDeterministic) Rewriting Systems as nFold Categories https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.10822 by Xerxes D. Arsiwalla, Jonathan Gorard, Hatem Elshatlawy
• Pregeometric Spaces from Wolfram Model Rewriting Systems as Homotopy Types https://arxiv.org/abs/2111.03460 by Xerxes D. Arsiwalla, Jonathan Gorard

Concepts mentioned by Jonathan

• Rulial Multiway System https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2...
• ∞category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasic...
• ∞groupoid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%88%...
• (∞,1)topos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%88%...
• Grothendieck’s homotopy hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homotop...
• Algorithmic complexity theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computa...
• Algorithmic information theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorit...
• Kolmogorov complexity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogo...
• Einstein field equations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstei...
• Curvature invariant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvatu...)
• Qualia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

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