In this talk, Pilato ponders the relationship that monkeys have with trees and examines how this relates to the lives of ordinary people, especially the poor.

This talk was recorded at TEDxLusaka 2019: The power of togetherness held on 1st June 2019 at the NIPA Convention Centre.

Fumba Chama aka Pilato is a music artist and social activist. With four studio albums, Pilato continues to inspire debates and conversations both politically and socially. As an activist, he has been involved in championing for a more equal and fair society — in 2017, he was among the activists who were arrested for protesting the 42 fire trucks bought by the Zambian government at the cost of $42 million. Fumba Chama aka Pilato is a music artist and social activist. With four studio albums, Pilato continues to inspire debates and conversations both politically and socially. As an activist, he has been involved in championing for a more equal and fair society — in 2017, he was among the activists who were arrested for protesting the 42 fire trucks bought by the Zambian government at the cost of $42 million. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx