Here is my conversation with Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic.

Dario is hilarious and has fascinating takes on what these models are doing, why they scale so well, and what it will take to align them.

Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/darioa...
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(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:00) Scaling
(00:15:46) Language
(00:22:58) Economic Usefulness
(00:38:05) Bioterrorism
(00:43:35) Cybersecurity
(00:47:19) Alignment & mechanistic interpretability
(00:57:43) Does alignment research require scale?
(01:05:30) Misuse vs misalignment
(01:09:06) What if AI goes well?
(01:11:05) China
(01:15:11) How to think about alignment
(01:31:31) Is modern security good enough?
(01:36:09) Inefficiencies in training
(01:45:53) Anthropic’s Long Term Benefit Trust
(01:51:18) Is Claude conscious?
(01:56:14) Keeping a low profile