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Join New York Timesbestselling author Jonathan Karl, chief Washington correspondent for ABC News and coanchor of This Week, for a conversation with The New York Times’ Peter Baker about the aftermath of the Trump presidency — and Karl’s new book Tired of Winning: Donald Trump and the End of the Grand Old Party. Cited by the January 6th Congressional Committee as an important source for understanding the attack on the US capitol, Karl’s Betrayal was an instant bestseller, changing the way the public understood the end of the Trump presidency. In his followup, Tired of Winning, provides crucial and chilling insight into how Trump leveraged his defeat into becoming the most dominant force in Republican politics yet again. Hear him and Baker discuss the new revelations in his reporting, Trump’s continued relationships with everyone from Kevin McCarthy to Tucker Carlson, the future of conservative politics in America, and what it means for our democracy.

Recorded November 13, 2023 at The 92nd Street Y, New York.

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