In conversation with Phil Shankland, John addresses the most persistent question arising on the path to selfrealisation am I the body? With clarity, grace and humour, he shares his understanding that we're not. But how was it acquired? Simply look and see. How can the seer be the object seen? The watcher be the world that passes by?

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